tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3692282252844489453.post2263635146350725112..comments2024-03-01T18:58:48.605-08:00Comments on What'sUpWithThatWatts, et al.: Anthony Watts' Dog Whistle, re Sea Level Risecitizenschallengehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04559990934735912814noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3692282252844489453.post-85238485648003723922014-05-12T09:54:59.241-07:002014-05-12T09:54:59.241-07:00Kevin writes: "I was merely pointing to the h...Kevin writes: "I was merely pointing to the hypocrisy of citing uncertainty for rejection of an acceleration, but not when accepting the supposed deceleration." Yup, that's pretty bad, just as hideous is focusing on one sentence, while ignoring clarifying paragraphs.citizenschallengehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04559990934735912814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3692282252844489453.post-81216660518237650992014-05-12T07:14:51.276-07:002014-05-12T07:14:51.276-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.citizenschallengehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04559990934735912814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3692282252844489453.post-57395555048404363632014-05-12T07:07:42.964-07:002014-05-12T07:07:42.964-07:00I wasn't very clear either, that was a rhetori...I wasn't very clear either, that was a rhetorical <i>"who you gonna believe?"</i> sent out to other readers and not intended for Kevin, who obviously knows better.<br /><br />I'm glad you brought it up Kevin. Thanks for commenting.citizenschallengehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04559990934735912814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3692282252844489453.post-17149276827044512732014-05-12T04:29:35.120-07:002014-05-12T04:29:35.120-07:00Sorry if it wasn't clear, I'm more than aw...Sorry if it wasn't clear, I'm more than aware that Hamlin (or anyone else that posts on WUWT) is talking out of his hat, I was merely pointing to the hyorisy of citing uncertainty for rejection of an acceleration, but not when accepting the supposed deceleration. Also, for what it's worth, I did use a <i>"nofollow"</i> tag when linking through, so anyone who had the misfortune of clicking won't be adding to Watts' page ranking.<br /><br />The Canenave et al paper only used data through to 2011, so the end point was anomalously low due to the massive La Nina influenced rainfall event over Auistralia that year (at least that's my understanding, but I'm an interested, but uneducated lay person and must always use the caveat that my understanding may be catastrophically ill-judged), even by the time it was published <a href="http://sealevel.colorado.edu/files/2014_rel3/sl_ns_global.png" rel="nofollow">the rate of sea level rise had recovered to 3.2mm per year</a>. This is not a slight on the authors, they, like proper scientists do and as you point out, acknowledged the large uncertainty and offered an explanation for it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11255466542968249065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3692282252844489453.post-91726512592716659292014-05-11T20:41:05.052-07:002014-05-11T20:41:05.052-07:00{sorry those typos…}
Kevin's links to WUWTzer...<i>{sorry those typos…}</i><br /><br />Kevin's links to WUWTzer land and an article by Larry Hamlin retired Southern California Edison vice president - Not a place for serious climate science information - <br /><br />Hamlin writes: "A paper titled “The rate of sea-level rise” published in Nature Climate Change on March 23 by Cazenave, et al. shows that during the last decade the rate of sea level rise has declined by about 30% …"<br /> <br />~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ <br /><br />And then there is <a href="http://www.occuworld.org/news/662193" rel="nofollow"> this written by Dr. Cazenave herself:</a> <br /> Abstract <br /><br /><i>Present-day sea-level rise is a major indicator of climate change1. Since the early 1990s, sea level rose at a mean rate of ~3.1 mm yr−1 (refs. 2, 3). However, over the last decade a slowdown of this rate, of about 30%</i>, has been recorded [4,5,6,7,8]. It coincides with a plateau in Earth’s mean surface temperature evolution, known as the recent pause in warming [1,9,10,11,12]. <br /><br />Here we present an analysis based on sea-level data from the altimetry record of the past ~20 years that separates interannual natural variability in sea level from the longer-term change probably related to anthropogenic global warming. The most prominent signature in the global mean sea level interannual variability is caused by El Niño–Southern Oscillation, through its impact on the global water cycle [13,14,15,16]. <br /><br />We find that when correcting for interannual variability, <b>the past decade’s slowdown of the global mean sea level disappears, leading to a similar rate of sea-level rise (of 3.3 ± 0.4 mm yr−1) during the first and second decade of the altimetry era.</b> <br /><br />Our results confirm the need for quantifying and further removing from the climate records the short-term natural climate variability if one wants to extract the global warming signal [10]. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br /><br /> The question is who are you gonna believe one of the scientist who did the study or Con Edison's man?citizenschallengehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04559990934735912814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3692282252844489453.post-54172889867684829742014-05-11T20:31:49.667-07:002014-05-11T20:31:49.667-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.citizenschallengehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04559990934735912814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3692282252844489453.post-91503764674150767402014-05-11T14:54:59.882-07:002014-05-11T14:54:59.882-07:00By Anthony's logic it's also a bit of a bo...By Anthony's logic it's also <a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/04/28/sea-level-rise-slows-while-satellite-temperature-pause-dominates-measurement-record/" rel="nofollow">a bit of a bombshell for those who claim sea level rise is decelerating</a>, but, predictably, he omitted to mention that.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11255466542968249065noreply@blogger.com