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This is both my personal learning project and my contribution in the struggle to confront the ongoing Republican/ libertarian assault on rational science and constructive learning, as manifested in their malicious strategic Attacks on Science ~ A collection of articles, scientific resources, plus my own essays and indepth critique of various presentations from unidirectional-skeptics ~ Hopefully a resource for the busy, yet discerning, student who's concerned about the health of our Earth

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Tuesday, February 24, 2015

"Denying denial at Science of Doom #1c Flori's comments" only links

Just the links from
Denying denial at Science of Doom
#1 Florifulgurator's comments

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Summary of key points:

Why trust scientists?

CO2 saturation?

Political leaders and public's right to learn without malicious interference!

Serious science is not about "tolerance of diversity"
Science is about pinning down the facts as well as possible
and always learning.

Good prima facie evidence?

Syria, conflict and drought?

Do full bellies dictate a people's sense of wellbeing and satisfaction?

It's not about relying "only on what others are telling us."

It's about trusting a huge community of experts
who keep each other honest !

Moral "equivalence" and coming catastrophe.

What is Catastrophic Climate Change?

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Naomi Oreskes: Why we should trust scientists

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxyQNEVOElU

Richard Alley: Who says CO2 heats things up?

https://www.youtube.com/embed/JoR4ezwKh5E

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An Essay Concerning Our Weather 1995

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/An+essay+concerning+our+weather.-a017529280

http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/2015/02/essay-concerning-our-weather.html

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"EXPOSED - The RealClimate.org's "McKitrick and McIntyre" Files"

http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/2013/07/exposed-realclimateorgs-mckitrick-and.html

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Forcing, feedback and internal variability in global temperature trends

Nature by Jochem Marotzke and Piers Forster

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v517/n7536/nature14117/metrics

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1956 American Scientist Gilbert Plass article explores AGW

http://www.americanscientist.org/issues/feature/2010/1/carbon-dioxide-and-the-climate

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Is the CO2 effect saturated?

http://www.skepticalscience.com/saturated-co2-effect.htm

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"Denying denial at Science of Doom #1b Flori's comments" condensed version

The condensed version of

Questions for SoD plus other observations.

The following still isn't for the faint of heart and though I've cut out a third of my origin version only a serious student of "Republic/libertarian attack on science tactics" will find it interesting. I cut out all the fat I could and got it down to main points and links, though I can see I need to make a third version with links only.

I've undertaken this project because Science of Doom's shockingly naive "The Holocaust, Climate Science and Proof" article, along with its following 'smoking guns' comments thread, provided an excellent vehicle for my struggle to grasp the proclivity of humans to lie to themselves about Earth sciences.

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The issue is the public's right to honestly learn about our planet's geophysics and

what climate scientists and Earth scientists have learned!

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The following gets a bit complicated so here's an introduction.

Prelude: SoD wrote a blog post bemoaning the use of the term "climate science denialist" because there are also "Holocaust Deniers" and he feels that's worse than denying geophysical facts; or dishonestly interfering with scientists' ability to teach our leaders and the public.

SoD also makes a vague argument implying: 'we still don't know enough to make certain conclusions about basic global warming physics' - such as the cascading consequences of injecting 500 gigatons of extra manmade greenhouse gases into our thin atmosphere, in a geologic blink.

The Holocaust, Climate Science and Proof

Posted February 4, 2015 by scienceofdoom

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Florifulgurator wrote on February 6, 2015 at 8:39 pm

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“Smear by association” ? No. ...

Denying denial at Science of Doom #1 Florifulgurator's comments

(As usual I've been doing some touch up editing, 2/24 evening.)

Questions for SoD plus other observations, including links to further resources

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The following is not for the faint of heart, only the serious student of the Republic/libertarian attack on science tactics will find it interesting. Though it includes a large collection of links to useful resources for further learning.

During the crossfire of comments one man's offerings stood out. Florifulgurator recognized the scope of SoD's blindspot and made a good effort to explain some realities that SoD hadn't taken into consideration.

I was disappointed to watch SoD deftly sidestep Flori's critique and instructive thought-challenges with sarcasm. I had expected more from SoD, and am starting to think his awareness doesn't extend beyond mathematics and dog-chasing-tail collegiate debates. That won't do.

Not when the issue is the public's right to honestly learn about our planet's geophysics and what climate scientists and Earth scientists have learned!

There's an abbreviated version (1b) of this review,

and another one stripped down to only the links (1c)

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The following gets a bit complicated so here's an introduction.

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RECOMMENDED WEBSITES

{edited 12/11/2014}

I know there are too many typos, what can I say, eyes aren't what they were, I get rushed, and always did have a thing with transposing…{well, I also hated high school "english" classes... bad call that one.}. Doing the best I can with what I got. Embarrassing though it is, it's better than doing nothing. Besides, it's the issues and reasoning that we should be worrying about.

Though I'm in my own little world here, I'm also constantly learning and evolving and do get occasional feedback and when I reread stuff and find errors or omissions or garbage, I fix it. If it's major I'll acknowledge it with an 'edited' note, minor stuff I don't bother.

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I hardly keep track of Anthony's latest antics (besides, with Sou on the job why bother - can't beat her insights). It's just me over here and I have more important things to do with my precious hours - still now that Anthony's luster has been wearing thin he's put his energy into discovering and honing new fresh faces to carry on the public show of the Republican/Libertarian strategic attack on science.

He seems to have transitioned into a ring-leader, perhaps mentor/coach would be better, producer? At least that's how Mr. Steele and his antics of the past year has gotten me to think about it. So in that regard this blog remains about WUWT's brand of thinking and logic and my struggle to understand the anatomy of the fraud they've perpetrated against mankind. {December 2014}

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ok, now some recommended websites:

This blog was started in April 2013 and is written by an actual scientist so it has a refreshingly serious objective air to it, plus he does a good clear job of explaining complex issues.

And Then There's Physics.
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Sou has some of the best {readability and detailed} examinations of Watt's antics I've seen - and she does have fun with certain characters.

She continues be the best at keeping up with Mr. Watts' and pals and their many deceptions.

The recent dirty tricks and attacks she is enduring are acknowledgment of how good she is at it.

http://blog.hotwhopper.com

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Ben has been documenting Anthony's misdeeds longer than the rest of us.

http://wottsupwiththat.com

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Tamino, an acknowledged statistical/mathematical expert of the highest order, at Open Mind also does an excellent job of holding Anthony’s feet to the fire with clearly explained facts and math. Check it out:
http://tamino.wordpress.com
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And of course, there is the excellent, most up to date internet depository of climate studies and information for the non-expert public.

http://SkepticalScience.com

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Then there's RealClimate.org the scientist's commentary site. Run by working climate scientists intended to help the interested public and journalists sort through the complexities of the climatology. They provide "quick response to developing stories and provide the context" that is too often missing from public media's depiction. {But, you better be serious and have some real science education/understanding under your belt if you want to keep up.}

http://realclimate.org

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I remember back in da day, good websites/blogs were few and far between. But over the past years that's been changing to the point that it's impossible to keep up with them all. Here's an incomplete, and long overdue addition to my above list: