It's appalling the crap these people keep recycling so I'm going to share my observations regarding Mr. Goreham's piece of disconnected nonsense. I welcome his response.
Goreham writes: "But for the last 16 years, Earth’s surface temperatures have failed to rise, despite rising atmospheric carbon dioxide." ~~~
- WRONG - to begin with the rise continued, but at a slower pace then some expected. But, more importantly, an incomplete (it left out polar regions among others) surface temperature data set comprises about 8/9% of the heat within our global heat and moisture distribution engine. Ignoring what's been happening in the ocean (90%) is dishonest in the extreme and not at all helpful if you're interested in understanding global patterns.http://earthsky.org/earth/global-warming-hiatus-never-happened-study-says
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http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/education/pd/climate/factsheets/howreliable.pdf
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2014/jul/21/realistic-climate-models-accurately-predicted-global-warming
http://www.ucsusa.org/publications/ask/2013/climate-modeling.html#.Vhoao-lyHww
http://www.wunderground.com/climate/facts/models_are_reliable.asp
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Reveals that Steve doesn't understand the basics of his topic. Forecasting weather for a specific time and location and understanding long-term trends within our climate system are two very different animals.
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Goreham writes: "But if so, isn’t this evidence that ocean and water cycle effects are stronger than the effects of CO2?" ~~~ What you are missing is that atmospheric greenhouse gases are but one component of our climate system.
They permeate the entire atmospheric column, hundreds of miles above the lowest layer, the troposphere, where our weather happens.http://news.stanford.edu/news/2015/september/global-warming-hiatus-091715.html
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How carbon dioxide controls earth’s temperature
BY CLIMATE GUEST CONTRIBUTOR OCT 18, 2010 -
NASA’s Lacis: “There is no viable alternative to counteract global warming except through direct human effort to reduce the atmospheric CO2 level.”
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2010/10/18/206873/carbon-dioxide-thermostat-controls-earth-temperature/
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Of course our oceans hold great sway over global weather systems and their changes over time.
Warming is accelerating global water cycle
Stream flows into the ocean have been increasing annually, study finds
BY JANET RALOFF, OCTOBER 5, 2010
https://www.sciencenews.org/blog/science-public/warming-accelerating-global-water-cycle_______________________________________
It's the upper layers of atmosphere slowing down infrared radiation's escape into space that is regulating increasing temperatures. Of course, water is the major greenhouse gas, but water washes out of the atmosphere within days, and it's average atmospheric saturation is dictated by the amount of GHG warming. Which is why serious people are worried about CO2 and other greenhouse gases.
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Steve, the CO2 cycle over the course of geologic time is way more complex than a few lines can convey, but it is understandable and has been explained for those who are willing to listen and think about it. Here's a good learning opportunity:
Richard Alley - 4.6 Billion Years of Earth’s Climate History: The Role of CO2
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujkcTZZlikg
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Richard Alley: "The Biggest Control Knob: Carbon Dioxide in Earth's Climate History"
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Published on Dec 10, 2012
From the 2009 AGO Fall meeting. Original here:
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More importantly I believe way too many Republican/libertarian types and others have never taken the time to really consider what our global climate system is all about.
Here's a video that impresses me because it describes most of the major components of our climate system in a visual way that's been impossible in the past. If learning about our planet is what you're interested in, check it out.
NOVA | Earth From Space [HD]
"Earth From Space" is a groundbreaking two-hour special that reveals a spectacular new space-based vision of our planet. Produced in extensive consultation with NASA scientists, NOVA takes data from earth-observing satellites and transforms it into dazzling visual sequences, each one exposing the intricate and surprising web of forces that sustains life on earth. Viewers witness how dust blown from the Sahara fertilizes the Amazon; how a vast submarine "waterfall" off Antarctica helps drive ocean currents around the world; and how the Sun's heating up of the southern Atlantic gives birth to a colossally powerful hurricane. From the microscopic world of water molecules vaporizing over the ocean to the magnetic field that is bigger than Earth itself, the show reveals the astonishing beauty and complexity of our dynamic planet.
"Earth From Space" is a groundbreaking two-hour special that reveals a spectacular new space-based vision of our planet. Produced in extensive consultation with NASA scientists, NOVA takes data from earth-observing satellites and transforms it into dazzling visual sequences, each one exposing the intricate and surprising web of forces that sustains life on earth. Viewers witness how dust blown from the Sahara fertilizes the Amazon; how a vast submarine "waterfall" off Antarctica helps drive ocean currents around the world; and how the Sun's heating up of the southern Atlantic gives birth to a colossally powerful hurricane. From the microscopic world of water molecules vaporizing over the ocean to the magnetic field that is bigger than Earth itself, the show reveals the astonishing beauty and complexity of our dynamic planet.
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Thanks for taking the time to help me debunk Steve Goreham. He like every other critic of Global Warming discussions is compromised. A friend and skeptic of Climate Change once told me to follow the money if I want to know the truth. When I told him of my research into the Global Warming Denials and my conclusions, he at lest became silent on the subject.
Well thank you Captain. I appreciate your comment.
Yes, strike, then run silent, is what they do.
Then they show up somewhere else as though they hadn't learned a thing and parrot the same garbage all over again.
And I keep wondering how do they keep getting away that embrace of willful ignorance?
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