Jim Steele’s LandscapesAndCycles Fraud

In a nutshell Jim Steele proposes that landscapes and natural cycles are more powerful drivers of global warming than the atmosphere that lies between Earth and frigid outer space. 

His scientific underpinning is a self-certain, as yet unexamined, rejection of 'CO2 science' - maintaining it's a hoax with political underpinnings.

Jim's speciality is learning about wildlife studies with an eye towards errors in those studies.  Where it gets ugly is that though he's learned about these errors and failings from wildlife scientists who were directly involved.  Scientists who were aware of issues and problems and working hard to resolve them.  Scientists who willingly shared their experiences, challenges and learning curve.  

Where Jim gets weird is the way he slams these same individuals by portraying them as clueless shills.  Where Jim gets bizarre is leaping from those shortcomings in wildlife studies to claiming it proves global warming is a hoax and that we should ignore it.  An astounding chain of logic.

As for flaws in wildlife studies, the important thing is, none of this stuff was secret, it was part of the scientific community's discussion and literature.  It's the stuff of science marching forward, learning from mistakes as much as from successes.  Another thing to keep in mind is that wildlife studies over huge expanses of landscape are exceedingly difficult and running a perfect experiment is near impossible.  

What Jim ignores is that every serious scientist, wildlife and otherwise, spends as much of their time studying and assessing errors, unexpected surprises, and those '20/20 hindsight mistakes' in order to understand and learn from them.

Once I got into researching Jim's claims and contacting many of the scientists he singled out for derision I was shocked at how shabbily Jim treated the hospitality and collegial help and support he was given for his (Heartland Institute's? Anthony's?) research project.  

I've made the effort to document Jim Steele's words and claims.  I specify his errors, and then I provide the information Jim shields from his audience.  

Jim keeps running away from my challenge instead preferring the shelter and comfort of his Republican/libertarian echo-chamber, where he can lash out at me with unrestrained venom and irrationality.

Since he won't debate, I challenge any of his fans to challenge my assessment of Mr. Steele's game.  You think I misrepresent Steele or his claims?  Where?  Name calling is easy and cheap.  Defining what I misrepresent is the challenge.  Being able to civilly defend one's counter-claims should be easy, if you have honest facts on your side. 

In February of 2019, circumstances have me once again sparring with my self-certain silly, but oh so nasty and deluded libertarian pal, Jim Steele, who's writing a new column, "What's Natural? in the Pacifica Tribune:

We The People of the United States have a moral, ethical right - along with a pragmatic need - to learn what scientists have learned about this planet's biosphere and climate engine without constant dishonest crossfire. 
We should not tolerate serious scientists always being drown out by amoral, ruthless, and frankly ignorant arguments - that an astoundingly totalitarian GOP PR factory repeats over and over again, without ever learning a damned thing from the evidence in front of us. 

What’s Natural about the Polar Bear’s Plight” 
The Pacifica Tribune collection, May 2019


What's Natural about Jim Steele's Safe Space? (May 20)

This is my review of Steele’s April 17, 2019, ‘What’s Natural?’
Can We Kappiananngittuq published in the Pacific Tribune

Fundamentals - Earth's Carbon Cycle By The Numbers - R.Rohde (May 27)

A wonderful animation that explain’s Earth’s Carbon Cycle, it’s only tangentially related to Jim’s recent column - but since he likes dismissing the scientific consensus regarding CO2’s impacts on our atmosphere I added this excellent brand new video.

Kappiananngittuq, Inuits, Constructive Learning in Nunavut, The Safe Space (May 29)

Here I present what I’ve learned about the Inuit language and the Inuit Qaujimajatuqangit and I include info from a paper by Morgan Benthan - "The Changing Tides of Education in Nunavut: A Non-Inuit Perspective of Inuit Qaujimajatuqangit” - which I believe may be where Mr. Steele got his information, but I’m guessing, till I hear more.


What's Natural about Jim Steele's Astroturfing? (May 30)

This post is basically a reproduction of my google search for “Inuit Kappiananngittuq” which revealed Jim Steele is astroturfing his article.  Then I include links to a lot of article take look This post is basically a reproduction of my google search for “Inuit Kappiananngittuq” which revealed Jim Steele is astroturfing his article.  Then I include links to a lot of articles that take a look at social media manipulation.

What's Natural about Polar Bear Habitat Destruction? (May 31)

This is my review of Steele’s May 1, 2019 ‘What’s Natural?’ column who’s title invites: “Polar Bear. Which narrative to believe?”  -  Well I certainly have a few things to say about the narrative in that column.  So, I’ve decided to address my observations directly to Mr Steele.

April 1, 2019
What's Natural about Steele's Sea Level conundrum? Pacifica Tribune 3/20/2019

In his March 20th What’s Natural? column, Jim Steele winds up in a conundrum because he’s obsessing on Greenland while trying to figure out California’s sea level rise.  It got me to thinking about those six blind men grappling to make sense of an elephant while focusing on individual parts.  
Steele’s conundrum will never get resolved until he pulls back and starts taking in the whole of our Global Heat and Moisture Distribution Engine. …


April 1, 2019
Supplement - What's Natural about Steele's Conundrum? Pacifica Tribune 3/20/19

A supplement to "What's Natural about Steele's Greenland conundrum? Pacifica Tribune 3/20/2019."  Since I found way more information than I had room for I've decided to add this appendix of valuable science information about Greenland and our global heat and moisture distribution engine.


March 7, 2019
Considering the criminal dimension of climate science denial PR.

I believe vandals should be stood up to and that We The People have a right to learn about the expert understanding of critically important down to Earth matters, such as climate change evidence - without the constant cross screaming from the GOP's manufactured denial machine and it's PR bullies.  Thus, this little collection of relevant reading. …

March 11, 2019
Letter to Editor Frederick, Regarding Steele's Scary Campfire Stories. March 6, 2019

Dear Pacifica Tribune Editor Fredrick,
… Lets start with a summary of the column’s ten paragraphs: introduces topic with the Heaven’s Gate Suicide Cult (no crass politicization happening here); dismisses the seriousness of a 1°Centigrade rise within our global climate engine; misrepresents the facts in order to disparage a respected butterfly expert; quibbles about Polar Bear counts, while ignoring that the Arctic Ice Cap is melting away; ridicules penguin researchers for revolutionizing census gathering abilities and keeping up to date with their available data; heaps scorn on the entire climate science community because some scientist at some low point once said snow was going to disappear from England in the next decades; oh and we're to forget about “atmospheric insulation” because CO2 is plant food; he tells us there’s far more important problems to address than our planet’s atmospheric insulation regulator going from 280 ppm when the steam engine was invented to over 410 ppm and rising fast today.
Then Steele’s coup de grâce: …
March 13, 2019
What's natural about Steele's scary stories? Why Pacifica Tribune? (3/6/2019)

My previous post gave a summary of March 6th’s What’s Natural? column in the ‘libertarian’ Pacifica Tribune.   So I’ll dive straight into this, the “too long, didn’t read” part 2 intended for the student of libertarian deception.  Here I dissect the words and offer links to serious sources for the other side of Steele assertions. 

Glib misrepresentations, insulting experts and weaving transparently deceptive tales is easy - learning the facts and understanding our biosphere and climate engine that’s what requires some serious self-starter effort.  Like the difference between a vandal and a builder. …

March 29, 2019
Steele, what’s unnatural about the Glacier Girl? Pacifica Tribune 3/20/2019

Here I want to focus on the first couple paragraphs in March 20th, Pacifica Tribune’s What’s Natural? column.  It contains a melodramatic lead in with a curious narrative built around the P-38 dug out of a Greenland glacier.  Since the P-38’s back story turned into such a fascinating fun, if oh so time consuming story, I figure it’s worth posting all this stuff on it’s own stage. …

March 7, 2019
Considering Sagan's actual Baloney Detection Kit

. . . Here I simply want to allow Carl Sagan's own words to speak for him, though with an introduction from Maria Popova:

Through their training, scientists are equipped with what Sagan calls a “baloney detection kit” — a set of cognitive tools and techniques that fortify the mind against penetration by falsehoods:
The kit is brought out as a matter of course whenever new ideas are offered for consideration. If the new idea survives examination by the tools in our kit, we grant it warm, although tentative, acceptance. …

February 26, 2019
Jim Steele Responds To Citizenschallenge

Jim Steele responds to my challenge to debate his confusion strewn “What’s Natural?” column with a childish ‘libertarian’ temper tantrum to Pacifica Tribune’s Editor Frederick.

February 21, 2019
What’s natural about Steele’s baloney kit #1 - via Pacifica Tribune 2/20

Jim Steele writes: "Politicians from all sides manufacture "crises" and "demons" to promote their agendas superficially designed to fight those crises."
Okay, no arguing that.  So far so good.
Steele: "In his book The Demon Haunted World," Carl Sagan famously published his Scientific Baloney Detection Kit, a "do and don’t" list to guide honest scientific inquiry." 
Wait a minute.  How did we get from “Politicians” to “Scientific Inquiry” via a book written for laypeople?

In the book Sagan “aims to explain the scientific method to laypeople, and to encourage people to learn critical and skeptical thinking.” (WIKI)

Serious scientific inquiry is something that only the learned can do.  Of course, one can be self-taught.  But expert status in any field demands, learning, acquiring real knowledge, skills and experience.  

That is quite different from being a spectator trying to understand what the scientists and experts are talking about. …
Steele: ”Sadly, climate science has been too politicized. But Sagan's advice can help separate the politics from honest science regards claims of a "climate crisis.”"
Here again Steele strives to coalesce science with politics and public spin - that is deceptive nonsense. …

February 23, 2019
What’s natural about Steele’s take on Carl Sagan?- 97% - Pacifica Tribune 2/20

A study guide to,    
What’s Natural? (#5)  Jim Steele, Pacifica Tribune, 
February 20, 2019
The Scientific Baloney Detection Kit. 
This is the second half of the previous post, please refer to it for an introduction.  
Basically Jim Steele is lecturing us on how to interpret Carl Sagan’s Baloney Detection Kit.  It promises to be an insightful journey into the workings of libertarian deception.  …

February 20, 2019
What’s natural about Jim Steele trashing Dr. Mann? - via Pacifica Tribune

Here you'll find a pared down version of the previous post - Focusing on that malicious 'libertarians' need to trash Dr. Michael Mann and science in general.

Based on  Jim Steele's “What’s Natural?” column, “Changing Sea Levels, Part 1” (2/13/19), published in the Pacifica Tribune. …

February 19, 2019
What's Natural about Sea Level Rise? - Jim Steele - Pacifica Tribune - EXAMINEDb

In "What's Natural?" Steele serves up his advice:
“I urge local planning commissions to wait at least 20 more years for more data before giving up on our coastal cities of the world and moving inland.”
While offering me another opportunity to consider Constructive Learning versus Science by Rhetoric and Slander.

Here you'll find a paragraph by paragraph examination of Jim Steele’s suggestions and claims as they appear in his “What’s Natural?” column, “Changing Sea Levels, Part 1” (2/13/19), published in the Pacifica Tribune.

I’ll admit the following is aimed at rationalists, children of the intellectual enlightenment so to speak, since I’ve found that trying to engage in a constructive debate with Jim Steele is a fool’s errand.  …

February 16, 2019
Jim Steele's 'What's Natural?' via Pacifica Tribune - an overview

In a sober world, learning is a constructive process, it requires a willingness to look at all the evidence that’s available.

A couple months ago I had a friend from near Pacifica, California inform me that Jim Steele had attained a new soapbox, a regular column titled ‘What’s Natural?’ in the Pacifica Tribune.  (For what it’s worth, I've noticed the contrarian blog “WattsUpWithThat” hosted by the infamous Anthony Watts is mirroring Steele’s column.)

The column was bugging my pal since he could recognize Steele was playing fast and loose with the facts but didn’t have the scientific background, nor familiarity with Jim Steele’s game, which tends to overwhelm the uninitiated, to do the column justice. 

He knew I was no scientist, but that I was a dedicated life long self-taught student of Earth and climate sciences, and that considering I graduated high school in ’73, I’ve seen a thing or two.

He kept challenging me to explain the rest of the story. …

February 5, 2019
Steele’s ‘What’s Natural?’ Dissecting libertarian deception, a fishy tale.

A study guide to Jim Steele’s  “What’s Natural?”, featured in the Pacifica Tribune.

A friend from California has been sending me copies of a new column appearing in the Pacifica Tribune, a paper that, surprise surprise, is owned by a “libertarian” activist Sherman Frederick*.  I was able to sidestep the first couple, but this one.  Asked to do some fact checking and one thing leads to another. …

April 9, 2019
GOP Religion vs. Rational Politics. My point is . . .

Over at my WUWTW blogspot, I posted a biographical review of some factors that went into creating the particular perspective I possess and that I keep striving to enunciate.  Here I'm posting only sections that are most relevant to today's political situation.  For the background visit: "Citizenschallenge, why are you an Earth Centrist?" …


I believe this article by Lawrence Torcello makes an excellent prequel to these reviews of Jim Steele's malicious climate science disinformation campaign.

Sunday, April 5, 2015
Is misinformation about climate science criminally negligent? 
by Lawrence Torcello

Sunday, January 25, 2015
Dear Mr. Steele, regarding your 1/7/15 WUWT post - an open letter...

Saturday, February 7, 2015
Jim Steele watt's up with your venomous self-indignation?

Dear Jim Steele,

With time to reflect, I'm confused by your display of moral outrage in that January 7th WUWT broadside? Come on, lighten up, you should recognized the Shakespearian overtones and appreciate we were made for each other.  

Besides, it was you who jumped into my lil climate change sparing camp over at SkepticForum back last spring.... you were the big shot daring anyone to dispute your nonsense.  Did you really think I was going to allow your Republican/libertarian "hey no worries, it's all a hoax" challenge to go unanswered?  Then in your IEEE 'climate science horror' series and LandscapesAndCycle you're the one that told folks to check original sources.  Well, I have and I've received responses including many full texts of published studies from:
Dr. Ainley,
Dr. Breckner,
Dr. Fretwell,
Dr. Guillaume,
Dr. Jenouvrier,
Dr. Kaiser,
Dr. Kato,
Dr. La Rue,
Dr. Tate,
with a couple still in the pipeline.  {And that's just for my most recent project reviewing your 7/1/14 "Blinded by Beliefs, Penguin Poop" article.  Due to be posted any day now.}

Be happy!  Here we are, "Citizenschallenge" vs. "LandscapesAndCycles"

You the defending champ of "NoWorries - it's a hoax" 
Me the advocate for "Learning about our Global Heat Distribution Engine"  

A virtual debate with Jim Steele based on his interview at Heartland Institute:

Heartland Daily Podcast | Jim Steele | January 27, 2015 

Thursday, April 2, 2015
#1 Mtn warming? - CC/Steele Landscapesandcycles Debate

Thursday, April 2, 2015
#2 Fear of Debate - CC/Steele Landscapesandcycles Debate

Thursday, April 2, 2015
#3 global temperature fallacy - CC/Steele Landscapesandcycles Debate

Saturday, April 4, 2015
#4 Temperature Homogenization - CC/Steele Landscapesandcycles Debate

Sunday, April 5, 2015
#5 Prof Trenberth stifling "sceptics" - CC/Steele Landscapesandcycles Debate

Sunday, April 5, 2015
#6 Moose and the NWF - CC/Steele Landscapesandcycles Debate

Tuesday, April 7, 2015
#7 Penguins, butterflies and consensus - CC/Steele Landscapesandcycles Debate

Sunday, April 12, 2015
#8 Mangroves, Dr. Cavanaugh, NPR's Joyce - CC/Steele Landscapesandcycles debate

Thursday, April 16, 2015
#9 Steele's heat waves and the AGW fallacy - CC/Steele Landscapesandcycles Debate

Saturday, April 25, 2015
#10 Heartland in their own words - CC/Steele Landscapesandcycles Debate

Sunday, April 26, 2015
#11 Questions for Heartland's Burnett, re Dr. Mann and more - CC/Steele Landscapesandcycles Debate

Wednesday, April 29, 2015
#12 "Pushing this global climate alarmism" - CC/Steele Landscapesandcycles Debate

Wednesday, April 29, 2015
#13 Critical Thinking and "keep the debate alive" - CC/Steele Landscapesandcycles Debate

Thursday, April 30, 2015
#14 Considering Malicious Falsehoods vs Right to Learn - CC/Steele Landscapesandcycles Debate

Regarding Mr. Steele, dishonest sniping and about as close was we got to a direct debate.

June 9, 2015
Clarifying Landscapesandcycles Dishonest Internet Sniping #1
June 10, 2015
Clarifying Landscapesandcycles Smears and Internet Sniper #2

January 9th 2015
How climate science denialists employ the "Serenge Strategy"
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January 26, 2015
Regarding the question of USHCN homogenization 
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Monday, December 1, 2014
Jim Steele, why you "cleansing" YouTube comments? W.U.W.T.?
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Tuesday, December 2, 2014
Steele's Yosemite Nat'l Park mystery temp graph? W.U.W.T.?
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Saturday, December 13, 2014
What's it mean to be an honest skeptic?
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Monday, December 15, 2014
A blast from the past May 16, 2014 Steele's Arctic Ice Horror story
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Monday, December 22, 2014
Mr. Steele, time for a reality check.

Tuesday, November 4, 2014 (IEEE Video 1a)
#A Jim Steele's IEEE Presentation: Climate and Drought: Landscape Changes vs CO2, examined
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Wednesday, November 5, 2014 (IEEE Video 1b)
#B Jim Steele's IEEE Presentation: Climate and Drought: Landscape Changes vs CO2, examined
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Monday, November 17, 2014
Considering the demarcation between valid science and pseudo-science
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Friday, November 28, 2014 (IEEE Video 2)
Droughts and Heatwaves: Ocean Oscillations vs CO2 by Jim Steele - examined
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Wednesday, December 3, 2014 (IEEE Video 3)
Recovering Whales, Ocean Acidification the Jim Steele Horror Story - reviewed
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Wednesday, December 10, 2014 (IEEE Video 3a)
Steele's Ocean Acidification Horror Story, a closer look.
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Sunday, December 28, 2014 (IEEE Video 4a)
Steele's penguin "climate horror story" YouTube series, Video 4a
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Sunday, December 28, 2014 (IEEE Video 4a)
Appendix Steele's penguin "climate horror story" YouTube series, Video 4a
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Friday, January 9, 2015
Steele's climate horror story, drowning chicks. Who says?
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Wednesday, January 14, 2015
Rejected? Request for Steele's CA temperature graphs provenance
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Yesterday I became aware of a shocking, misinformation laced at Anthony’s  "Watts Up With That" blog post written about me January 7th by our good Mr. Steele. ...

Sunday, January 25, 2015
Dear Mr. Steele, regarding your 1/7/15 WUWT post - an open letter...
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Tuesday, January 27, 2015
Peter Miesler Helps Expose USHCN Homogenization Insanity - WUWT
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Friday, January 30, 2015
Mr. Jim Steele, Can you clarify your argument?
A) That wildlife biologists working in extreme conditions and over continental landscapes make mistakes?

B) Disputing that Anthropogenic Global Warming with it's profound changing climate driven landscapes alterations causes adverse cascading consequences for wildlife and eco-systems (read our biosphere)?  

Can Mr. Steele come clean and explain what his fundamental thesis is?
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Wednesday, February 4, 2015
Possessed by the idea of catastrophic climate change?
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Saturday, February 7, 2015
Defamation and lies are unacceptable part of the AGW 'debate' !
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Monday, February 9, 2015
LandscapesAndCycles blinded by belief - The straight poop on penguins indeed ¶1/6

Recalling the early days with Mr. Jim Steele and pals.

Wednesday, March 19, 2014
Fabricating Climate Doom: looking at Jim Steele’s deception
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Friday, March 21, 2014
Of Recursive Fury, and science denialist's strategy of harassment
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Friday, March 28, 2014
Just the science of Fabricating Climate Doom: Parmesan's Butterfly Effect
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Sunday, March 30, 2014
Fabricating Climate Doom - Steele's Extreme Weather Extinctions Enron Style - examined
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Friday, April 25, 2014
Jim Steele Exploiting Human Misery and Distorting Science
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Wednesday, May 7, 2014
Years of Living Dangerously the creepy side of the internet debate
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Sunday, May 11, 2014
Anthony Watts' Dog Whistle, re Sea Level Rise
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Friday, May 16, 2014
Jim Steele this is 2014 !
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Sunday, October 19, 2014
Catmando Does Jim Steele

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Some fundamental background:

CO2 Science: Pruitt, it's certain as certain gets! It's the physics! Don't you know???

CO2 Science: Pruitt, proof is in the pudding! 
Impossible Modern Marvels

Is Faith-based Thinking: God or EGO?

A list of appropriate descriptives for Jim's style and approach to discussing scientists and the work they've produced.

Calumny: the making of false and defamatory statements in order to damage someone's reputation; slander.

Malicious: Involving malice; characterized by wicked or mischievous motives or intentions. ~ An act done maliciously is one that is wrongful and performed willfully or intentionally, and without legal justification. (

Defamation (of character):
vilification = abusively disparaging speech or writing:
denigration = criticize unfairly; disparage:
obloquy = strong public criticism or verbal abuse:
traducement  =  speak badly of or tell lies about (someone) so as to damage their reputation.
scandalmongering = a person who stirs up public outrage toward someone or their actions by spreading rumors or malicious gossip.
character assassination


mineguy said...

A brief read indicates this site is another of the group-think anthropogenic true believers who are incredibly organized to dispute, disparage, and 'take down' any sane and objective contrary argument against that line of propaganda.

citizenschallenge said...

Interesting example of an angry person - insults but no substance.

Mineguy, let me say this about that!

“Group think.” -
What’s that even mean in this context?
You could just as easily complain that, me thinking man landed on the moon is the result of group think. True enough, but that doesn’t make the fact any less true.

“Anthropogenic true believers” -
Again, an inane insult that doesn’t even make sense, anthropogenic what?
You bet I’m a true believer in the human capacity to radically and fundamentally change this Earth.

“incredibly organized” -
Don’t I wish it!
If you want organized you need to look to the Conservative Think Tanks, they got science by rhetoric and slander down to a science. As for broadcasting their fraud against science and the people's right to know, jezz that is some amazing organization at work, and you know it. *

“Any sane and objective argument against that line of propaganda” -
Then why aren’t you presenting any?

This childish snottiness is just that, childish snottiness. Why not try explaining what you find so laughable? Bet you can’t ! But, seriously this whole climate science dialogue is supposed to be about constructively learning, not about malicious calling names and invoking crazy conspiracy theories.

“That line of propaganda” -
Do you know what propaganda is?

This is an index of detailed studies into the words of Jim Steele.
It’s all about including specifics and references.
If you think I’m full of it, that’s very easy to demonstrate. Bet you can’t !
Quote me and show us where I’m mistaken.

That’s how civil constructive dialogue is supposed to work.
Who knows, you may catch me in a mistake and we can turn that into a learning experience also.

Please “Mineguy at 3:44” insulting me is easy. Rationally explaining what I’ve gotten wrong, that’s much more challenging.
Are you up for it ? ? ?

citizenschallenge said...

It is now September 2nd and mineguy is a no show. These clowns are alway so big on the bullying words, but when it comes time to produce some substance, they are No Shows every time. Pathetic is as pathetic does mineguy.

Thursday, September 1, 2016
Okay mineguy, lets debate Jim Steele and his LandscapesandCycle conviction

D.C.Petterson said...

Jim is definitely a piece of work, bless his heart. Your assessment is objective and accurate.