Heartland Burnett: Let me ask you this: What first brought you to my attention was your discussion of the Moose decline. Marketing material by the National Wildlife Federation and the Audubon Society were linking global warming to declining moose populations particularly in Northern Minnesota - What did you find that undermined those claims?~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Notice not for a moment is Burnett curious about how global warming might be linked to declining moose. The issue is nothing more than another word game to win, couldn't care less about what's actually happening out there in the backcountry.
Steele: Well every ecologist,~ ~ ~ ~ ~
one of the text book examples of the predator pray relationships is you understand moose and wolf populations. So I had a general understanding of what was going on. But what, and anyone who understands the complex ecology of the moose, it was immediately obvious that the NWF was fear mongering to promote their CO2 politics.
Look at that mash up:
The biology of moose,
complex ecologies in a warming world,
But, no details.
Steele: Moose are notorious for undergoing boom and bust cycles. The moose prefer habitat that is regenerating, that when it's over grown, or if it's overgrazed by the moose, then the moose will either starve or migrate elsewhere.~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Grazing? Jim, moose are browsers.
Steele: Some of those stories highlights declines in New Hampshire moose and the population there had been less than twenty up until the 1970s then during the warming 80s, 90s the population also went through boom and it reached over seven thousand moose,~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Stories? How? Where? What? Why are you jumping around like that? No details, just fancy dancing and a bunch of self-certain assertions.
Steele: then the population suddenly declined in part, it was due to increased hunting that was promoted because people were having so many collisions with moose on the highways.
Steele: Now I grew up in Massachusetts and we never heard of moose in Massachusetts, you would go up to Maine to see moose, but starting in the 80s they began moving southward toward New Hampshire. Moving southward was sort of contrary to what you'd expect from Global Warming Theory. They are saying everything is being pushed northward.
What about this?
Who's the "they"? What's the "everything"?
Jim, are you trying to say warming isn't happening and northward migrations aren't being documented?
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Climate trends in New England in recent decadesThese projected changes are consistent with the climate trends seen in the Northeast in recent decades.3,7,8,9,10 Since 1970 the annual average temperature in the Northeast has increased by 2°F, with winter temperatures rising twice this much. Warming has resulted in many other climate-related changes, including:• More frequent days with temperatures above 90°F • A longer growing season • Increased heavy precipitation • Less winter precipitation falling as snow and more as rain • Reduced snowpack in some winters• Earlier breakup of winter ice on lakes and rivers • Earlier spring snowmelt resulting in earlier peak river flows • Rising sea surface temperatures and sea level in coastal states USGCRP (2009) – pp 31
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Vermont’s climate has changed substantially in the past fifty years. Continuing change is certain, as the Earth’s climate is being driven towards a warmer state by the increase of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. The primary driver is the increase of atmospheric CO2 from the burning of fossil fuels, which reduces the cooling of the Earth to space. The small warming from the increase of CO2 is amplified several times1 because atmospheric water vapor, another powerful greenhouse gas, increases as temperature increases. Reductions in snow and sea-ice cover at northern latitudes also amplify the warming, because less of the sun’s energy is reflected.
Steele: And then when you look at declining moose in Minnesota that hype was,~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Oh oh, now we're back in Minnesota, sounds like a non sequitur, but OK let's consider the situation in Minnesota:
Minnesota moose die from wolves, ticks, abandonment and disease
Article by: JOSEPHINE MARCOTTY , Star Tribune | August 9, 2014You think milder temperatures might have an impact on ticks and diseases?
What’s Caused Half the Minnesota Moose Population to Die Off in Less Than a Decade?
Mar. 6, 2014 | Liz Klimas
"... we've lost half of our February snow depth in a twenty year period, we've seen 5, 6°F increase in August max temperature in about a sixty year period."
Steele: in addition what you see that a lot of conservation efforts have gone into to bringing back the wolves. They were finding from collared moose that most of the deaths of the moose were due to predation by wolves - and the other thing is, in Minnesota winters are the most stressful time for moose.
Minnesota during the time of decline, experienced some record cold snaps. Without any scientific basis was pushing the NWF global warming scenario and
For supporting evidence you can find plenty in here.
Steele: even climate scientists like Michael Mann who's also blaming global warming. It just didn't make any sense.~ ~ ~ ~ ~
How in the world did Michael Mann get into the middle of this?
Oh yeah, that Dog Whistle thing.
While others do real science:
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MASTER OF SCIENCE September 2011
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