Sock-Puppet's Go-To Sources vs. Science Go-To Sources

Juxtaposing 'trusted' websites of "climate science skeptics" with those of "warmists". 

Recently I had a dialogue with a character who talked with much self-certitude - but little actual interest in the science, though he did try talking science-ie.  He also offered a number of links to support his arguments.  I made a tally and it's quite the Who's Who of political interests focused on promoting their agenda rather than global climate understanding. 

Then, this morning, I came across an interesting 22 item long collection by Peter Gaeta who (like me has taken the time to seriously investigate contrarian claims) put together "… some CRUCIAL links/information on global warming that have proven utterly accurate and reputable" and since he invites us to share his effort, I am happy to do it, particularly since it makes such a perfect contrast to my collection regarding science contrarian blogs.
  
You can find Gaeta's list following my collection of links.  Feel free to copy and pass along these interesting links to important information.

The names below are linked to revealing bios and further information:

CO2Science   (Craig   Idso}

WUWT   (Anthony    Watts)

Climate Depot   (Marc   Morano)

NoFrakkingConsensus  (Donna   Laframboise)

Climatism  (John   Coleman)

SPPI   (Idso,   Carter,   Soon)

Roy  Spenser  (Roy's blunders)

Freeman   Dyson {The ancient theoretical physicist and dreamer who's still pissed at the world for not allowing him to build his atomic bomb powered spaceship.}

Then there's Heartland Institute:

Explaining Why AGW Is No Religion

My pal left with one final pot-shot to the effect: "Yes it is a religion. so there!"

Imagine my surprise this morning when I saw that Dr. Joseph Romm has recently written a book, that from the reviews, does an admirable job of explaining the scientific basis for our Anthropogenic Global Warming understanding in a clear question and answer format.

So for those who think AGW is a religion, you now have yet another opportunity to learn about the details of why AGW is a physical fact supported by much (… mega) research and observational evidence.

But then you'd first need to extract yourselves from your own faith-based bubble of perception and be open to taking advantage of objective learning opportunities.  Can you do it?

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Book review: Climate Change, What Everyone Needs to Know

Posted on 17 November 2015 by John Abraham

http://www.skepticalscience.com/romm-book-review.html

A new book makes the case that those who understand the basics of climate change and clean energy will be the “smart money” in the coming years. Those who don’t, however, will make bad decisions for themselves and their family. They might, for instance, end up holding coastal property after prices have begun to crash due to due the growing twin threats of sea level rise and storm surge.

In short, climate change isn’t just something every educated person ought to know about because it will impact future generations or because everyone will be talking about it during the upcoming Paris climate talks. It is something everyone needs to know about now because “Climate change will have a bigger impact on your family and friends and all of humanity than the Internet has had.”

Part 2 - Debating ClimateDepot fan re greenhouse physics

Will H. responded over at ClimateDepot, so I will share his comment along with my three part response.
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Will H. responds to citizenschallenge • 
October 21, 2015 at 3:52 PM at ClimateDepot

I have no idea as to how I can respond at your political site. Right up front you state, "Will, I don't get your point." That really sums up your entire response. I cannot help that. The problem must be with you. You do not understand what I have been presenting but you are trying to twist it in terms of the AGW religion so as to make political points on your very political site.
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Let me say this about that, in three parts:

citizenschallenge to Will H. on Oct 21, 2015 at 5:54 PM

Will, for starters it would be good if you didn't use fragments to misrepresent what I wrote. Or perhaps I should write: Why am I not surprised you would pull such a decoy?

Allow me to explain, you were going on about: "... greenhouse gases has nothing to do with how real greenhouses stay warm. ..." My response read:

http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/2015/10/debating-climatedepot-fan.html

CC wrote: Will, I don't get your point. Of course, everyone knows that when talking about "global greenhouse effect" we are using a figure of speech, such as "Black Hole" or "Big Bang" - they are catchy and they stick but everyone knows they are labels. We all understand that Earth's global "greenhouse" is very different from a gardener's greenhouse. What's the point in bringing it up?

Incidentally, here's some information on that:

"The mechanism is named after the effect of solar radiation passing through glass and warming a greenhouse, but the way it retains heat is fundamentally different as a greenhouse works by reducing airflow, isolating the warm air inside the structure so that heat is not lost by convection.[2][3][4]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_effect

Will, as for not knowing how to respond - there's a comments section right below the article. Responding is as easy as filling in the text box. If you wanted to do a more extensive rebuttal I've assured you I'd even be willing to offer you your own civil 'guest blog post' and promise not to alter it, though I will be following up with my own review in a subsequent post.

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citizenschallenge Will H. (a second comment)

Oh, and Will I'd like to correct something else. "Right up front" what I stated was:

"CC responds: Will, I agree with you. There is a plethora of valuable information out there for those who want to learn about our planet and how society is impacting our Earth's eco-systems and its climate engine. I myself have been learning about it since pre-internet days, ever since my long ago high school science classes in the early 1970s.   

As for people "who came up with these ideas" - keep in mind who they really are. You know the very curious, smart, focused students who after years of dedicated study, evolved into skeptical professional full-time scientists, who have gone on to investigating and learning about our climate -  generations worth with the goal of better understanding how planet and its climate system workings.  

It really is that simple. Here, let one explain it.

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Richard Alley - what drives scientists?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_WLArrksB4
from

UQx Denial101x Making Sense of Climate Science Denial

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citizenschallenge responds to Will H. • (yet a third comment)
October 21, 2015 at 6:44 PM (link here) 


OK Will, there is something else, now that I've had time to think about it. 
You call my site political - (full disclosure I am mirroring this dialogue over at WUWTW.)


Since I'm the kind of person who is always questioning myself, I once again reviewed my blogspot article "Debating a ClimateDepot fan about greenhouse physics" trying to see it from your perspective.


But, still what I see is me explaining my position best I could followed by referring to one authoritative study after another. My focus is constantly on better understanding what's really happening upon our fantastic Earth and continually learning more about her. … and sharing that information - yet you yell that I'm political and that AGW is a religion.


I mean that's hysteria talking there - just like that Lord of the Flies land I mentioned at another comment recently.       [let me add - Political !?  
How about a little introspection here? Just, look at ClimateDepot's Morano he's a certified alpha political-operative, Mr. Swift Boat himself, politics it's all he knows and winning is all he cares about - and his blog CD is about as political as it gets.]

I mean think about what you are doing !


Why you gotta think I'm some flaming enemy? - Dude, if we found ourselves on a job-site working together, just a couple people with a job to do - bet we'd get along just fine and get the job done, shake hands and go home feeling good about the day. (That is, if you, like me, possess a sense of integrity and pride in workmanship and a job well done. As a Navajo friend used to say: "I put my pride into that job.")

I'm not an idiot and I'm not your enemy, you simply choose to hate me out of your own insecurity and fears."