Jim Steele responds to my challenge to debate his confusion strewn “What’s Natural?” column.
from: Jim Steele | to: Sherman Frederick, Editor of the Pacifica Tribune | cc: citizenschallenge
Feb 23, 2019, 7:20 PM
"Sherm I am sorry that you will be hounded by Peter Miesler as he attempts to denigrate me and every skeptic.
Twice replied to his website and corrected his dishonest distortions. He deleted my posts. Thus I promised him I will not ever again bother engaging him. He has twisted that for 4 years always suggesting I am afraid to debate him.
Hmmm, ironic.
Look at what I received a few weeks back.
(After posting this I was surprised to see the date was before I’d written the Pacifica Tribune for the first time. But the bigger point, Jim’s easy with the fibs.)
Steele continues: "He is infamous on the internet for dishonest and relentless attacks. He has hounded colleagues at SFSU and other experts who have supported my opinions.
Since learning I have the What's Natural column he keeps emailing me all sorts of dishonest BS so I am no going to block all his emails. (I’ve been showing him the courtesy of copying him on my submissions to the Pacifica Tribune. Why this hysterical reaction?) So I will no longer be privy to his attacks that he emails you. (i.e. diving deep and running silent) He is simply an obsessed internet sniper. Sniping at me somehow gives purpose to his wretched life."
Jim
Mind you, this is the same guy who wrote:
Later I share the index to my thoughtful look at Steele’s presentations
which he’s too intellectually bankrupt to debate and
apparently somewhat desperate for no one to read or think about it.
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Response from Editor Sherman Frederick:
Sat, Feb 23, 8:36 PM
to Jim, Jim, citizenschallenge
No worries, Jim.
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Citizenschallenge's Response to Pacifica Tribune’s Frederick:
Sun Feb, 24 - 12:06 PM
Dear Editor Frederick,
In response to Mr. Steele’s email,
1¶ What is Jim saying? That any critique of his words is an “attempt to denigrate (him) and every skeptic”?
¶ 2 I have a clear comment policy - rational and direct challenges to what I’ve written are welcome. But, I will not become a billboard for garbage that totally sidesteps my dialogue. This was clearly explained to Steele at the time.
Steele forgets to mention that he has a standing invitation to submit an on-point guest post at my blog, which I’ve promised to publish unedited, nor annotated. Though I would certainly follow it with my own post examining his words.
¶3 You can read all about the SFSU incident, I was seeking accountability and a bit of protection insurance, (the guy can get scary).
Steele saga - Repost 1/5 - Open let to San Francisco State University March 8, 2016)
¶4 Steele writes: “He is simply an obsessed internet sniper. Sniping at me somehow gives purpose to his wretched life,” the same guy who writes:
3. Don't: Don't attack the arguer, attack the argument.
Steele comments: (mud-slinging dominates politics. Dismissing valid arguments by calling the arguer a (“internet sniper” or “wretched human”) muddies the science.)
Doesn’t that sounds like there’s a mighty totalitarian double standard in play here? What’s happened in our country? I thought in America we still believed in fair and open constructive debates, or what? Oh, and what about simple honesty?
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Incidentally, this should be of interest:
Saturday, February 7, 2015
Jim Steele watt's up with your venomous self-indignation?
Dear Jim Steele,
With time to reflect, I'm confused by your display of moral outrage in that January 7th WUWT broadside? Come on, lighten up, you should recognized the Shakespearian overtones and appreciate we were made for each other.
Besides, it was you who jumped into my lil climate change sparing camp over at SkepticForum back last spring.... you were the big shot daring anyone to dispute your nonsense. Did you really think I was going to allow your Republican/libertarian "hey no worries, it's all a hoax" challenge to go unanswered? Then in your IEEE 'climate science horror' series and LandscapesAndCycle you're the one that told folks to check original sources. Well, I have and I've received responses including many full texts of published studies from:
Dr. Ainley,
Dr. Breckner,
Dr. Fretwell,
Dr. Guillaume,
Dr. Jenouvrier,
Dr. Kaiser,
Dr. Kato,
Dr. La Rue,
Dr. Tate.}
Be happy! Here we are, "Citizenschallenge" vs. "LandscapesAndCycles"
You the defending champ of "NoWorries - it's a hoax"
vs.
Me the advocate for "Learning about our
Global Heat and Moisture Distribution Engine"
Global Heat and Moisture Distribution Engine"
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A further note I sent Editor Fredrick,
I can understand that Jim Steele does not like me. After all, I’m the one calling foul on his many deceptive claims, including his tendency to maliciously slander honorable accomplished professionals and establishment climate science in general.
Jim Steele gives lectures, writes books, now he has your weekly column, all calculated to spread misinformation and confusion - because unfortunately in America it’s become okay to lie about recognized physical facts. And all of it very public. He’s the one constantly demanding debate.
Mr. Steele calls what I’ve done internet sniping, now he’s crying, victim.
Shouldn’t an American citizen be allowed to confront someone for their demonstrable lies? Or what? In this new age of Trump, have all previous standards of civil public intercourse succumbed to self-certain absolutism?
Jim Steele’s LandscapesAndCycles Fraud
I’m actually a nice guy, enjoying a good and satisfying life if you must know. My mama raised me right, that is, to respect people and the creations of humanity, while not losing touch with this Mother Earth that supplies our life-support system. The Earth that we were born out of, depend on, and then die back into.
All I want to do is debate the bankrupt talking points of climate science contrarians and “libertarians”.
All they can muster is calling me names and hiding.
I report, you decide.
Best wishes and looking forward to hearing from you.
Thank you,
Peter, (aka citizenschallenge)
{Fredrick’s response to me you ask? Well seems the offended "libertarian" editor Fredrick has also run for cover and is himself running silent. No surprise there.
The surprise is that so many rationalist and progressives and liberals and children of the intellectual enlightenment have allowed these people to get away with such juvenile bullying tactics and their truly childishly disjoined and profoundly dishonest storytelling. Why is that? That’s what I’m stuck trying to wrap my mind around these days.
But than, in Hollywood America who cares about honesty anymore? Why care about substance and physical reality when ya got flashy facades, eh?
Such a tragic societal failure. But, who cares when we can make the next generation pay for our All-American sense of self-entitled gluttony and our long parade of Me First self-destructive choices.}
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We The People of the United States have a moral, ethical right - along with a pragmatic need - to learn what scientists have learned about this planet's biosphere and climate engine without constant dishonest crossfire.
We should not tolerate serious scientists constantly being drown out by amoral, ruthless and frankly ignorant arguments - that an astoundingly ruthless GOP PR factory repeats over and over again, without ever learning a damned thing from the evidence in front of us.
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A few more thoughts considerations:
So there you have it. This Jim Steele has mastered the Koch’s Tea Party Offensive. Take any challenge as an assault on one’s person, respond with ruthless vigor. Bully all the way. Totally disregard for facts or adult conversation.
This is how the once Grand Ol Party got transformed into this Trumpian GOP bunch of absolutism, lead by a Russian Obligate President.
Basically Steele demands the right to spend years broadcasting utter malicious misinformation about serious competent professionals, and just as sinfully to lie about well understood and definable physical laws of nature that control the state of our life sustaining biosphere.
Jim flashes a great deal of self-certain superior contempt upon establishment climate science - and by virtue of his self-certain authority, no one is allowed to question the man.
Steele tries to portray me as some lunatic who’s obsessively hounding him.
Based on what? My detailed reviews of his talking points and claims? Why should he get a free pass?
Who in heck is Jim Steele to demand sanctity for maliciously misrepresenting scientists and their competent work?
This is how the extreme right wing has beaten the tar out of liberal, progressive, enlightened, rational principles and won the right to grievously vandalize our American Government under this president.
Why have we let them do it so easily and with such pathetic arguments as my dear pal Jim Steele constantly resorts to???
America needs a vigorous informed and engaged citizenry to stand up for honesty and enlightened thinking - or they will destroy us, listen to them, that sure is what they dream of and are so successfully accomplishing.
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Since Steele brought up our past, I figure a stroll down memory lane is called for:
An appropriate prequel - Sunday, April 5, 2015
Is misinformation about climate science criminally negligent?
by Lawrence Torcello
A virtual debate with Jim Steele based on his interview at Heartland Institute:
Heartland Daily Podcast | Jim Steele | January 27, 2015
Thursday, April 2, 2015
#1 Mtn warming? - CC/Steele Landscapesandcycles Debate
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Thursday, April 2, 2015
#2 Fear of Debate - CC/Steele Landscapesandcycles Debate
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Thursday, April 2, 2015
#3 global temperature fallacy - CC/Steele Landscapesandcycles Debate
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Saturday, April 4, 2015
#4 Temperature Homogenization - CC/Steele Landscapesandcycles Debate
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Sunday, April 5, 2015
#5 Prof Trenberth stifling "sceptics" - CC/Steele Landscapesandcycles Debate
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Sunday, April 5, 2015
#6 Moose and the NWF - CC/Steele Landscapesandcycles Debate
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Tuesday, April 7, 2015
#7 Penguins, butterflies and consensus - CC/Steele Landscapesandcycles Debate
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Sunday, April 12, 2015
#8 Mangroves, Dr. Cavanaugh, NPR's Joyce - CC/Steele Landscapesandcycles debate
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Thursday, April 16, 2015
#9 Steele's heat waves and the AGW fallacy - CC/Steele Landscapesandcycles Debate
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Saturday, April 25, 2015
#10 Heartland in their own words - CC/Steele Landscapesandcycles Debate
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Sunday, April 26, 2015
#11 Questions for Heartland's Burnett, re Dr. Mann and more - CC/Steele Landscapesandcycles Debate
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Wednesday, April 29, 2015
#12 "Pushing this global climate alarmism" - CC/Steele Landscapesandcycles Debate
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Wednesday, April 29, 2015
#13 Critical Thinking and "keep the debate alive" - CC/Steele Landscapesandcycles Debate
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Thursday, April 30, 2015
#14 Considering Malicious Falsehoods vs Right to Learn - CC/Steele Landscapesandcycles Debate
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Regarding Mr. Steele, dishonest sniping and about as close was we got to a direct debate.
June 9, 2015
Clarifying Landscapesandcycles Dishonest Internet Sniping #1
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June 10, 2015
Clarifying Landscapesandcycles Smears and Internet Sniper #2
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January 9th 2015
How climate science denialists employ the "Serenge Strategy"
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January 26, 2015
Regarding the question of USHCN homogenization
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Monday, December 1, 2014
Jim Steele, why you "cleansing" YouTube comments? W.U.W.T.?
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Tuesday, December 2, 2014
Steele's Yosemite Nat'l Park mystery temp graph? W.U.W.T.?
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Saturday, December 13, 2014
What's it mean to be an honest skeptic?
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Monday, December 15, 2014
A blast from the past May 16, 2014 Steele's Arctic Ice Horror story
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Monday, December 22, 2014
Mr. Steele, time for a reality check.
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Tuesday, November 4, 2014 (IEEE Video 1a)
#A Jim Steele's IEEE Presentation: Climate and Drought: Landscape Changes vs CO2, examined
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Wednesday, November 5, 2014 (IEEE Video 1b)
#B Jim Steele's IEEE Presentation: Climate and Drought: Landscape Changes vs CO2, examined
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Monday, November 17, 2014
Considering the demarcation between valid science and pseudo-science
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Friday, November 28, 2014 (IEEE Video 2)
Droughts and Heatwaves: Ocean Oscillations vs CO2 by Jim Steele - examined
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Wednesday, December 3, 2014 (IEEE Video 3)
Recovering Whales, Ocean Acidification the Jim Steele Horror Story - reviewed
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Wednesday, December 10, 2014 (IEEE Video 3a)
Steele's Ocean Acidification Horror Story, a closer look.
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Sunday, December 28, 2014 (IEEE Video 4a)
Steele's penguin "climate horror story" YouTube series, Video 4a
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Sunday, December 28, 2014 (IEEE Video 4a)
Appendix Steele's penguin "climate horror story" YouTube series, Video 4a
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Friday, January 9, 2015
Steele's climate horror story, drowning chicks. Who says?
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Wednesday, January 14, 2015
Rejected? Request for Steele's CA temperature graphs provenance
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Yesterday I became aware of a shocking, misinformation laced at Anthony’s "Watts Up With That" blog post written about me January 7th by our good Mr. Steele. ...
Sunday, January 25, 2015
Dear Mr. Steele, regarding your 1/7/15 WUWT post - an open letter...
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Tuesday, January 27, 2015
Peter Miesler Helps Expose USHCN Homogenization Insanity - WUWT
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Friday, January 30, 2015
Mr. Jim Steele, Can you clarify your argument?
A) That wildlife biologists working in extreme conditions and over continental landscapes make mistakes?
B) Disputing that Anthropogenic Global Warming with it's profound changing climate driven landscapes alterations causes adverse cascading consequences for wildlife and eco-systems (read our biosphere)?
Can Mr. Steele come clean and explain what his fundamental thesis is?
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Wednesday, February 4, 2015
Possessed by the idea of catastrophic climate change?
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Saturday, February 7, 2015
Defamation and lies are unacceptable part of the AGW 'debate' !
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Monday, February 9, 2015
LandscapesAndCycles blinded by belief - The straight poop on penguins indeed ¶1/6
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Recalling the early days with Mr. Jim Steele and pals.
Wednesday, March 19, 2014
Fabricating Climate Doom: looking at Jim Steele’s deception
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Friday, March 21, 2014
Of Recursive Fury, SkepticForum.com and science denialist's strategy of harassment
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Friday, March 28, 2014
Just the science of Fabricating Climate Doom: Parmesan's Butterfly Effect
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Sunday, March 30, 2014
Fabricating Climate Doom - Steele's Extreme Weather Extinctions Enron Style - examined
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Friday, April 25, 2014
Jim Steele Exploiting Human Misery and Distorting Science
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Wednesday, May 7, 2014
Years of Living Dangerously the creepy side of the internet debate
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Sunday, May 11, 2014
Anthony Watts' Dog Whistle, re Sea Level Rise
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Friday, May 16, 2014
Jim Steele this is 2014 !
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Sunday, October 19, 2014
Catmando Does Jim Steele
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Some fundamental background:
CO2 Science: Pruitt, it's certain as certain gets! It's the physics! Don't you know???
CO2 Science: Pruitt, proof is in the pudding!
Impossible Modern Marvels
Is Faith-based Thinking: God or EGO?
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A list of appropriate descriptives for Jim's style and approach to discussing scientists and the work they've produced.
Calumny: the making of false and defamatory statements in order to damage someone's reputation; slander.
Malicious: Involving malice; characterized by wicked or mischievous motives or intentions. ~ An act done maliciously is one that is wrongful and performed willfully or intentionally, and without legal justification. (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/malicious)
Defamation (of character):
vilification = abusively disparaging speech or writing:
denigration = criticize unfairly; disparage:
obloquy = strong public criticism or verbal abuse:
traducement = speak badly of or tell lies about (someone) so as to damage their reputation.
scandalmongering = a person who stirs up public outrage toward someone or their actions by spreading rumors or malicious gossip.
character assassination
mudslinging
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